Vacant FM Frequency in Hunter Region because Community Radio station shut down

[KeithA at ZFM Net Radio (http://www.zfm.com.au) and http://www.aussieseek.com]

Community Radio station shut down
by 237 Wednesday January 03, 2007 at 07:02 PM


In what is most likely a first for Australia the Media Authority has
cancelled the licence of a community radio station.

In what is most likely a first for Australia the Media Authority has
cancelled the licence of a community radio station.

The Australian Communications & Media Authority has took the action
against Mt Helen FM (2GGZ) in the Hunter region of NSW because it
breached its licence conditions.

On 31 August 2006, ACMA found that Mt Helen FM had breached some of the
additional licence conditions imposed on its licence on 15 September
2005.

One condition related to providing ACMA with a transcript of on-air
announcements inviting listeners to participate in the service and a
second condition required Mt Helen FM to provide ACMA with a written
report detailing procedures relating to corporate governance.

On both these conditions the station failed to meet the requirements by
the due date. The station then ceased broadcasting in August 2006.

One of the key issues was the stations failure to encourage or allow
involvement from people in the local area.

ACMA Chairman, Chris Chapman says there was no indication that the
situation would improve or change, so ACMA decided to cancel the
licence.

No decision has been made regarding the future use of the frequency.

He went on to say that it is disappointing that a licensee was "unable
to respond positively to ACMA's intervention and was unable to
provide a true community broadcasting service."

[KeithA at ZFM Net Radio (http://www.zfm.com.au) and http://www.aussieseek.com]

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Backgrounder

Mt Helen FM & TV Upper Hunter & Liverpool Plains Community
Broadcasting, Telecasting and Tourism Association Inc was allocated a
community radio broadcasting licence in 1999 to represent the general
community in Muswellbrook, NSW. The 2GGZ service operated on 101.7 MHz
and 107.3 MHz.

On 20 October 2004, the former Australian Broadcasting Authority (ABA)
conducted an enquiry into Mt Helen FM's application for renewal of
its community licence. Following the enquiry, the ABA renewed Mt Helen
FM's licence with the intention that additional licence conditions be
imposed after renewal to ensure that the licensee improves access to,
and participation in, the service and general governance.

On 15 September 2005, ACMA imposed three additional licence conditions
on Mt Helen FM's licence in order to ensure that:


the office bearers of the licensee and all members of the committee of
management are validly elected and devise and implement procedures to
ensure that:


every member of the committee of management is fully aware of and
understands the legislative and regulatory requirements which apply to
the licensee;
the committee of management properly scrutinises all of the
licensee's activities, including all financial arrangements and
matters; and
proper records are kept of Mt Helen FM's business activities,
including all financial arrangements and matters;


Mt Helen FM establishes and maintains a sub-committee responsible for
encouraging and arranging access to Mt Helen FM and all its operations
by members of the Muswellbrook community; and
Mt Helen FM broadcasts one announcement inviting listeners to become
members of the station and to participate in the selection and
provision of programs each hour between 7.00am and midnight on each day
of the week.

Mt Helen was required to, among other things, report to ACMA on its
compliance with the additional licence conditions by 30 November 2005
and 31 March 2006.

[KeithA at ZFM Net Radio (http://www.zfm.com.au) and http://www.aussieseek.com]

Another licence for Rhema ?


About Rhema Upper Hunter

Rhema FM Upper Hunter is a proposed re-transmission of the 100%
Christian format from Newcastle into the Upper Hunter region of Upper
Hunter, Aberdeen, Scone, Merriwa and surrounding districts.

Rhema FM has had a long term vision and dream in God to bring Christian
radio to the Upper Hunter, a dream that dates back to 1994. This dream
was delayed by Rhema Newcastle's 14 year bid to win the permanent
licence in Newcastle which happened in December 1999.

Following this was the large job of establishing Rhema on a permanent
basis. In 2001 the opportunity for a completely separate licence in
Gosford and that licence was finally won in October 2004.

Gaining a frequency and licence to broadcast in the Upper Hunter
particularly at Upper Hunter, is entirely different to the winning the
permanent licences in Newcastle and Gosford. Both these areas licences
were offered for specific frequencies for the 'Interested parties'
to apply for and they were awarded according to the ability of the
applicants to fulfill the Australian Broadcasting Services Act 1992 and
meet the manifest demands of the 'community'.

In the Case of Upper Hunter, we have held preliminary discussions with
ACMA (The Australian Communication & Media Authority) regards them
reviewing the LAP (Licence Area Plan) for Upper Hunter (which begins
just after Singleton in the East and to Merriwa in the West and almost
to Quirindi in the North.

We requested ACMA to consider extending the LAP for Upper Hunter, in
order to permit Rhema FM Newcastle to re-broadcast our transmission
signal into Upper Hunter and surrounding districts at a higher power
output thus dramatically improving reception. In fact it is our plan to
locate a transmitter at Mount Arthur, just South of Upper Hunter. Rhema
FM has approval from the energy organisation 'Transgrid Australia'
to locate on their tower.

We have completed an estimated 'costing analysis' on establishing a
re-transmission site at Upper Hunter at an approximate cost of $55,000.


Please note that a re-transmission of our Newcastle broadcast to the
Upper Hunter is by far the best and cheapest option. There would be no
need to establish studios at Upper Hunter.

To give you an idea, it was required by law to establish not only an
entirely separate broadcast in Gosford but also separate broadcast
studios, staff and volunteers, because a frequency was on public offer.
The cost of this almost amounted to $100,000 over a 4 year period and
was very labour and human resources intensive.

As stated already in the case of Upper Hunter, we have now sought
ACMA's approval for a re-transmission via a 'translator' as
detailed in a submission before them now. We will also conduct the
research into locating an available and unused frequency by using the
large and respected Queensland organisation 'Radspec' who are an
approved organisation by ACMA.

There are several cases around the country including one of our sister
stations Rhema FM Canberra, where ACMA gave approval to not just one
extra frequency but two (2) additional frequencies to re-broadcast in
the ACT region. Such a precedent also exists in the Upper Hunter
whereby Mt. Helen FM broadcast on 101.7 MHz (FM) and 107.3 MHz. This is
good news, having granted it before they can hardly refuse another
request without good justification.

What is needed now is letter's of support from all Christian Churches
in the Upper Hunter area along with individuals, Federal MP's,
Christian businesses etc.

[MediaWatcher]

KeithA at ZFM Net Radio (http://www.zfm.com.au) and

Post by KeithA at ZFM Net Radio (http://www.zfm.com.au) and http://www.aussieseek.com
One of the key issues was the stations failure to encourage or allow
involvement from people in the local area.

About time.

Why do I keep hearing the words "pseudo commercial"?

[Rob Adams]

Post by MediaWatcher
KeithA at ZFM Net Radio (http://www.zfm.com.au) and

Post by KeithA at ZFM Net Radio (http://www.zfm.com.au) and http://www.aussieseek.com
One of the key issues was the stations failure to encourage or allow
involvement from people in the local area.

About time.
Why do I keep hearing the words "pseudo commercial"?

Sounds like the way one of my local *cough* Communty stations has
gone, wonder if ACMA will enforce the same conditions.

Rob.

[j***@yahoo.com.au]

Post by Rob Adams

Post by MediaWatcher
Why do I keep hearing the words "pseudo commercial"?

Sounds like the way one of my local *cough* Communty stations has
gone, wonder if ACMA will enforce the same conditions.
Rob.

Simple way to ensure that they do; complain to the station in regards
to the Codes of Practice. Then when they fail to answer to your
satisfaction, complain to the ACMA>

THAT is how you do it folks.

Otherwise, the ACMA is tied up doing other things. Go read your
Community Radio Codes of Practice, then use it to horsewhip your local
station into shape.

A simple one, but very effective. If you think your community radio
station is immune, feel free to give me their address. I'd say within
three months they'll either be allowing access or being investigated by
the ACMA. I am currently encouraging some of our members (who are
having a childish squabble) to use the Codes of Practice.

Once it is in writing, it HAS to be dealt with properly. I am offering
to help write the letter, with details about just where the station is
inadequately prepared. This is opening up the station to all kinds of
debate.

It is healthy to go through the procedure regularly, like fire drills.

Jack@!

[b***@hotmail.com]

The worst thing could be is for it to fall in the hands of the likes of
Rhema.

Where I come from in Dubbo, Rhema has the only community station
licence allocated to the city. They do not broadcast anything other
then religious propaganda.

Considering that Dubbo is a city with 3 commercial radio stations our
only community station is basically a PC spitting out random music and
ultra religious commentary from America.

Dubbo is a city where we have a fairly high aboriginal population, yet
with no station to service them (like 2Cuz in Bourke or 4AAA in
Brisbane). We also have the newest campus of Charles Sturt University
and yet no station is available to service the university. Added to
that the city also has a very active group that records the "Talking
Daily Liberal" - Dubbos local newspaper which would be great if
could be broadcast instead of the group having to record their program
onto cassette.

After all this we still don't have a community station that could
cater for these groups of people. I dream of a station like 2MAX FM or
2CUZ or 2you FM which could play an important role in the community.

Rhema is basically a waste of frequency. If you look at the last
ratings survey for the city it will show that Rhema barley gets a
mention.

I believe community radio should be for the whole community - and if
a religious section wants a slice of the action -so be it with their
own show - they shouldn't have the entire cake.

[KeithA at ZFM Net Radio (http://www.zfm.com.au) and http://www.aussieseek.com]

Post by b***@hotmail.com
The worst thing could be is for it to fall in the hands of the likes of
Rhema.
Where I come from in Dubbo, Rhema has the only community station
licence allocated to the city. They do not broadcast anything other
then religious propaganda.

A good start would be an FM translator for 2WEB or 2CUZ in Dubbo
KeithA

[Mark Chapman Smith]

And so a new year of the same old rubbish has arrived, didn't take long, the
creeping fundy movement is out their with the collection plates eating up
the broadcasting spectrum like a cancer when independent operators like Mnt
Helen which was the only station for a long time that actually played
country music into the Country Music Capital "Tamworth", seems to have been
hounded off the airwaves.
De- regulation and full and proper competition is the only answer the
creeping UGLY conservatism the country is enveloped in at the moment led by
people who pushed us into disasters like the removal of Saddam, his
country's plunge into untold squaller and his grotesque execution.
Just look a some footage on U tube to come to grips with the reality of this
hopeless situation killing over 30000 US service men so far, for absolutely
nothing.

Strange how independent so called community operators are hounded, but
friends in high places allow other operators to connect computers onto
community licenses and broadcast non competitive wallflower music providing
no competition to established commercial operators.

One rule some and another rule for others.

When is the right thing going to emerge in Australian Radio Broadcasting, a
level playing field for all, what is so mysterious and un-attainable about
that concept ?

ABSOLUTELY NOTHING



"KeithA at ZFM Net Radio (http://www.zfm.com.au) and

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Post by b***@hotmail.com
The worst thing could be is for it to fall in the hands of the likes of
Rhema.
Where I come from in Dubbo, Rhema has the only community station
licence allocated to the city. They do not broadcast anything other
then religious propaganda.

A good start would be an FM translator for 2WEB or 2CUZ in Dubbo
KeithA

[MediaWatcher]

Post by Mark Chapman Smith
Strange how independent so called community operators are hounded, but
friends in high places allow other operators to connect computers onto
community licenses and broadcast non competitive wallflower music providing
no competition to established commercial operators.

That's correct. "No competition to commercial operators". Why is it so
hard to understand that you get what you pay for? No license fee =
Limited operation.
Huge license fee = Do what ever the hell you like. Get money and buy a
commercial license or get ovet it. It's not going to change.

[KeithA at ZFM Net Radio (http://www.zfm.com.au) and http://www.aussieseek.com]

Post by MediaWatcher

Post by Mark Chapman Smith
Strange how independent so called community operators are hounded, but
friends in high places allow other operators to connect computers onto
community licenses and broadcast non competitive wallflower music providing
no competition to established commercial operators.

That's correct. "No competition to commercial operators". Why is it so
hard to understand that you get what you pay for? No license fee =
Limited operation.
Huge license fee = Do what ever the hell you like. Get money and buy a
commercial license or get ovet it. It's not going to change.

stay tuned.

[Mark Chapman Smith]

Thanks Media Watcher for your excellent advice.

I just noticed one thing, you forgot to list the commercial radio licenses
that are available for me to purchase at this time.
I would actually like to remain in Australia if I could thanks.

( the list doesn't exist, I wonder why?)

Life changes all the time, funny how Australian Radio remains locked into a
time warp you seem so ready to accept.

Post by MediaWatcher

Post by Mark Chapman Smith
Strange how independent so called community operators are hounded, but
friends in high places allow other operators to connect computers onto
community licenses and broadcast non competitive wallflower music providing
no competition to established commercial operators.

That's correct. "No competition to commercial operators". Why is it so
hard to understand that you get what you pay for? No license fee =
Limited operation.
Huge license fee = Do what ever the hell you like. Get money and buy a
commercial license or get ovet it. It's not going to change.

[MediaWatcher]

Post by Mark Chapman Smith
Thanks Media Watcher for your excellent advice.
I just noticed one thing, you forgot to list the commercial radio licenses
that are available for me to purchase at this time.
I would actually like to remain in Australia if I could thanks.
( the list doesn't exist, I wonder why?)
Life changes all the time, funny how Australian Radio remains locked into a
time warp you seem so ready to accept.

What time warp is that?

That's right. There are no commercial licenses available at the moment,
so you'll just have to do your best with a community license. Of
course, no-one with a community license wants to be a community station
anymore. They want to be able to be like their money-making
counterparts in the commercial world. It won't happen. Even if a
commercial license does come up for auction, you won't get it. You
probably can't afford it, because a network will jack the price up so
high that it will be out reach for the average joe on the street.
That's life. Deal with it. No amount of people whinging in here is
going to change the face of commercial radio in Australia. Commercial
radio stations have the right to dominate their market. They should not
have to deal with piss-weak wannabe stations taking any percentage of
their revenue, no matter how small the amount. Commercial radio
stations paid for that right. What do community stations pay for? Very
little. They get what they pay for. There's no such thing as a free
lunch.

[Mark Chapman Smith]

Watcher
Your observations are simple and incorrect, a free spectrum available to
everybody on the open market is our only future, coming soon to a station
near you.
Note the new restrictions the ridiculous regulator is trying to enact to a
consumer market who couldn't give a flying phuck about big business rights.
Keep watching my friend, watching has always been pretty ordinary for my
taste.
regards
Mark

Post by MediaWatcher

Post by Mark Chapman Smith
Thanks Media Watcher for your excellent advice.
I just noticed one thing, you forgot to list the commercial radio licenses
that are available for me to purchase at this time.
I would actually like to remain in Australia if I could thanks.
( the list doesn't exist, I wonder why?)
Life changes all the time, funny how Australian Radio remains locked into a
time warp you seem so ready to accept.

What time warp is that?
That's right. There are no commercial licenses available at the moment,
so you'll just have to do your best with a community license. Of
course, no-one with a community license wants to be a community station
anymore. They want to be able to be like their money-making
counterparts in the commercial world. It won't happen. Even if a
commercial license does come up for auction, you won't get it. You
probably can't afford it, because a network will jack the price up so
high that it will be out reach for the average joe on the street.
That's life. Deal with it. No amount of people whinging in here is
going to change the face of commercial radio in Australia. Commercial
radio stations have the right to dominate their market. They should not
have to deal with piss-weak wannabe stations taking any percentage of
their revenue, no matter how small the amount. Commercial radio
stations paid for that right. What do community stations pay for? Very
little. They get what they pay for. There's no such thing as a free
lunch.

[MediaWatcher]

Post by Mark Chapman Smith
a free spectrum available to
everybody on the open market is our only future, coming soon to a station
near you.

Please tell me, what good it will do for the industry to open up the
spectrum to all and sundry? It will be absolute caos. The airwaves
filled with everyone from well run networks to groups of teenagers
stoned and drunk, laughing along to the tune of some drug-fucked metal
song. It's not going to work. Everyone needs to start being a little
bit honest in here and start to admit that community radio stations as
they stand today, sound like absolute horse shit. We have everything
from poorly trained announcers, dead air, poor production, technical
aspects that are too lengthy to write here, and so on. Why do we need
to open up the spectrum to invite move of this dribble onto the
airwaves?
A month or so ago one of Big Gay Al's podcasts was uploaded on to this
news-group. Now I'll admit it was quite funny and i chuckled along
though most of it. There are thousands of podcasts out there like that,
but imagine what it would be like if all of those people had a
broadcast license. Absolute shit. We need quality, not quantity, in the
industry.

[CrowdedHouse]

Post by MediaWatcher
A month or so ago one of Big Gay Al's podcasts was uploaded on to this
news-group. Now I'll admit it was quite funny and i chuckled along
though most of it. There are thousands of podcasts out there like that,
but imagine what it would be like if all of those people had a
broadcast license. Absolute shit. We need quality, not quantity, in the
industry.

The funny thing is BGA is actually getting ready to launch his own
little radio station!

It's just for the company he works with, but they have quite a few
offices and are really getting behind him.

Oh and he has another podcast up at http://bgablog.blogspot.com - This
episode includes two cougar rip-off ads, quite a bit of BS in the first
10 minutes... and even an old aircheck of him from 9 years ago on
Community Radio... before he went commercial.

Warning though... swear words galore... so if you are offended... or
vote Family First, we don't suggest you download that podcast.


CrowdedHouse (now where did I put my bus ticket)

[Mark Chapman Smith]

.

Post by MediaWatcher
Please tell me, what good it will do for the industry to open up the
spectrum to all and sundry? It will be absolute caos. The airwaves
filled with everyone from well run networks to groups of teenagers
stoned and drunk, laughing along to the tune of some drug-fucked metal
song.

Mark:
This descibed mess is something that happens currently with so called
community licenses from time to time as basically no body has the ultimate
control of a community licence, except when plenty of bluff , threating or
stonewalling is applied by persons who appear to be in charge to your
average volunteer.

Watcher:
It's not going to work. Everyone needs to start being a little

Post by MediaWatcher
bit honest in here and start to admit that community radio stations as
they stand today, sound like absolute horse shit. We have everything
from poorly trained announcers, dead air, poor production, technical
aspects that are too lengthy to write here, and so on. Why do we need
to open up the spectrum to invite move of this dribble onto the
airwaves?

Mark:
I have advocated that current community radio stations should be given a
choice of self determination of all aspects of their entity and the
regulator should de-regulate and de-constuct itself to the point of managing
technical seperation of signals, power output, and consumer complaints as
it's general operation.
This would be a saving of millions of tax payers dollars on these puffed up
revolving door, untrained , non radio entity's who come and go from the
regulator with sickening regularity.( wonder what the mad proffessor is
doing these days)
Ive been knocking around radio stations since 1968 but I see and hear very
few of my fellow workers in the industry been given positions at the
regulator, this of course would be a Federal Government stratagy as they
want compliance with some stupid political sel interst ethos which generally
changes regularly with the wind, so effective radio people would be on the
outer staight away.

I vote for John Brennan as head of the (Radio Broadcasting) regulator, he
could do the job in his spare time, one meeting a year would be about
enough.

Back to Watcher, without pretending to have every answer, I reckon a truly
free enterprise democracy (not yet achieved in this young country) for Radio
Broadcasting which is bascially everybody's daily life in Australia,
requires self funded service provision utilizing the entire broadcast
spectrum where service providers live or die on their performance, something
current community stations are not engaged in.
(especially the Happy Clappers)

Happy (clapping) New Year

[The Listener]

Post by Mark Chapman Smith
Life changes all the time, funny how Australian Radio remains locked into a
time warp you seem so ready to accept.

I'm sure in a few decades when I choose to buy into radio that CRA will
still be operating with an outdated mindset of futile protectionism
while the media landscape changes outside their control well and truly.

For all those people who are slaves and supporters of the way CRA does
things, have you ever heard of World Series Cricket? Changed the face
of the industry forever and it's well overdue for systematic change in
radio... if it wants any chance of thriving and not merely surviving in
the long-term future.

The Listener

[b***@hotmail.com]

Thats probably not a bad idea, but that would simply be a station
talking about Bourke issues in Dubbo. Remembering that Bourke is 400
ks away.

The idea of a local station is to have local content.. local aboriginal
people - local stuents - local volunteers. At the moment Rhema is
basically hoging the licence space.


KeithA at ZFM Net Radio (http://www.zfm.com.au) and

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Post by b***@hotmail.com
The worst thing could be is for it to fall in the hands of the likes of
Rhema.
Where I come from in Dubbo, Rhema has the only community station
licence allocated to the city. They do not broadcast anything other
then religious propaganda.

A good start would be an FM translator for 2WEB or 2CUZ in Dubbo
KeithA

[KeithA at ZFM Net Radio (http://www.zfm.com.au) and http://www.aussieseek.com]

Post by b***@hotmail.com
Thats probably not a bad idea, but that would simply be a station
talking about Bourke issues in Dubbo. Remembering that Bourke is 400
ks away.
The idea of a local station is to have local content.. local aboriginal
people - local stuents - local volunteers. At the moment Rhema is
basically hoging the licence space.
KeithA at ZFM Net Radio (http://www.zfm.com.au) and

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Post by b***@hotmail.com
The worst thing could be is for it to fall in the hands of the likes of
Rhema.
Where I come from in Dubbo, Rhema has the only community station
licence allocated to the city. They do not broadcast anything other
then religious propaganda.

A good start would be an FM translator for 2WEB or 2CUZ in Dubbo
KeithA

For the purpose Id just amalgamate the Dubbo and Bourke LAPS.
and suggest bill buys 2DU a 5kw as its still only 2Kw.
Or if he is spending 2 much on announcers and money is tight.
Or he could just put a repeater into dubbo for ZOO and 2DU.
He could run his standby unit joined together.
The largest unserved audience in Dubbo is aboriginal many of whom share
their roots
with the west...It could have a window with a dubbo session whilst 2DU
and 2WEB
are broadcasting Laws and the other super radio network talkback jock
is on air
That way it wouldnt cost a lot.
2WEB already has a heap of Dubbo advertisers
Theres a lot of aboriginal problems in dubbo. I hear they had to
knocked down one housing estate because of it.




http://www.outbackradio.com.au/

[j***@yahoo.com.au]

Maybe 2YOU FM from Tamworth should throw their hat in the ring -
broadcasting Country music from the old Mt Helen site.

Might help - they had two freqs didn't they?

Hmmmm...
2Kw ERP from there would cover to Quirindi wouldn't it?

Jack@!

[b***@hotmail.com]

Sadly you don't understand Dubbo.

Dubbo and Bourke are 400 ks away from each other.

Dubbo and Sydney are just as close to each other.. what next - merge
the Sydney and Dubbo LAPs? - gosh - we could even include all the
LAPs in between Dubbo and Sydney - that being Orange, Bathurst,
Mudgee and Lithgow to name a few.

or Newcastle and Sydney are even shorter distance - lets merge Newy and
Sydney instead.
Im sorry for being too sarcastic, but it truly is stupid to suggest a
Bourke and Dubbo merger.

Added to that 2WEB broadcasts on 10,k watts - and it still is not
herd in Dubbo. It's simply absurd to suggest that we could fix it
all with a 5 kw.

Please - lets have sensible discussion - not non-sense.




KeithA at ZFM Net Radio (http://www.zfm.com.au) and

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Post by b***@hotmail.com
Thats probably not a bad idea, but that would simply be a station
talking about Bourke issues in Dubbo. Remembering that Bourke is 400
ks away.
The idea of a local station is to have local content.. local aboriginal
people - local stuents - local volunteers. At the moment Rhema is
basically hoging the licence space.
KeithA at ZFM Net Radio (http://www.zfm.com.au) and

Post by KeithA at ZFM Net Radio (http://www.zfm.com.au) and http://www.aussieseek.com

Post by b***@hotmail.com
The worst thing could be is for it to fall in the hands of the likes of
Rhema.
Where I come from in Dubbo, Rhema has the only community station
licence allocated to the city. They do not broadcast anything other
then religious propaganda.

A good start would be an FM translator for 2WEB or 2CUZ in Dubbo
KeithA

For the purpose Id just amalgamate the Dubbo and Bourke LAPS.
and suggest bill buys 2DU a 5kw as its still only 2Kw.
Or if he is spending 2 much on announcers and money is tight.
Or he could just put a repeater into dubbo for ZOO and 2DU.
He could run his standby unit joined together.
The largest unserved audience in Dubbo is aboriginal many of whom share
their roots
with the west...It could have a window with a dubbo session whilst 2DU
and 2WEB
are broadcasting Laws and the other super radio network talkback jock
is on air
That way it wouldnt cost a lot.
2WEB already has a heap of Dubbo advertisers
Theres a lot of aboriginal problems in dubbo. I hear they had to
knocked down one housing estate because of it.
http://www.outbackradio.com.au/

[KeithA at ZFM Net Radio (http://www.zfm.com.au) and http://www.aussieseek.com]

bwshie

I worked at 2DU ..... Owned a narrowcast licence there and a a
newspaper which I sold to Amart/Daily Liberal before it was owned by
Rural Press

I used to listen to 2WEB at home in dubbo with a non fading clear
signal and have been to bourke a dozen times also. but maybe if you
say it cant be heard it was some other station.?

It said it was 2WEB every 5 minutes (Outback Radio) and its programs
were
the same as listed on their website. But you say it is not heard in
Dubbo
so you are right

But look I was amazed at the 2WEB client list from dubbo being
advertisers wanting to sell products to western residents. See here
how many they have.They are not targeting a dubbo audience but people
who shop in dubbo from their vast coverage area

Abel Tasman Motor Inn Arrest A Pest
Autobarn Dubbo Burren Junction Pre-School
Bob's Pets and Fuel Dubbo
Brennan's Mitre 10 Dubbo
B&C Caravan Service Dubbo
Carter Ramsey & Webber - Dubbo
Dubbo Crampton's Carpets - Dubbo
Central West Distributors /
Dubbo Vacuum Cleaner Specialists
Country Kitchens - Dubbo
Dubbo Meat Centre
Dubbo City Toyota
Dubbo City Motorcycles
Express Welding Services - Dubbo
Everyday Living -
Dubbo Frank Cross Tyres
Golden West Holden - Dubbo
Hearing Life dubbo
Lanoc Wool - Dubbo
Matilda Motor Inn - Dubbo
Nyngan RSL Club
Outwest Pumps & Irrigation P/L Dubbo
Regional Auto Supplies Dubbo
Shoe Shuffle - Dubbo
Sainsbury Automotive Dubbo
Sleep City Dubbo
Shearing Supplies NSW Dubbo
Town & Country Real Estate - Dubbo
Tilepower Dubbo
Tracserv - Dubbo
Western Plains Automotive - Dubbo

From

http://www.outbackradio.com.au/


Imagine how much more they could sell if they were there.

As you know with dubbo being the major shopping centre there is with
bourke and dubbp what the amca
calls a community of interest.. It would not be difficult to prove
there is also a community of interest between the aboriginal people in
that western sector.

Where the 2DU 2Kw is located gives an amazing ground plane
and they say they dont need 5kw for the present LAP.

But you come from dubbo so I bow to your superior knowledge about 2WEB
and its potential to serve the aboriginal community in dubbo with
modifications and a local transmitter . They have them elsewhere so
what is the problem with another one in Dubbo. ????

My only basis of extending 2DU to the Bourke LAP was to compensates 2DU
for the
introdiction of 2WEB into the local market. the transmission strengths
can be worked out.

I sense you are wanting a general community licence and the last thing
you would want
is a licence for 2WEB with local studos next to the rsl at Wingewarra
or Brisbane Street !!!!!

But you cant deny that the most compelling market need is for the
greatest unsolved niche

Just because I have a different opinion to you does not prohibit
sensible discussion - and does not mean it is non-sense and thank you
for an interesting response from someone who knows.

And thanks to all posters who have contributed to this thread.

most revealing.

[KeithA at ZFM Net Radio (http://www.zfm.com.au) and http://www.aussieseek.com]

KeithA at ZFM Net Radio (http://www.zfm.com.au) and

Post by KeithA at ZFM Net Radio (http://www.zfm.com.au) and http://www.aussieseek.com
bwshie
I worked at 2DU ..... Owned a narrowcast licence there and a a
newspaper which I sold to Amart/Daily Liberal before it was owned by
Rural Press
I used to listen to 2WEB at home in dubbo with a non fading clear
signal and have been to bourke a dozen times also. but maybe if you
say it cant be heard it was some other station.?
It said it was 2WEB every 5 minutes (Outback Radio) and its programs
were
the same as listed on their website. But you say it is not heard in
Dubbo
so you are right
But look I was amazed at the 2WEB client list from dubbo being
advertisers wanting to sell products to western residents. See here
how many they have.They are not targeting a dubbo audience but people
who shop in dubbo from their vast coverage area
Abel Tasman Motor Inn Arrest A Pest
Autobarn Dubbo Burren Junction Pre-School
Bob's Pets and Fuel Dubbo
Brennan's Mitre 10 Dubbo
B&C Caravan Service Dubbo
Carter Ramsey & Webber - Dubbo
Dubbo Crampton's Carpets - Dubbo
Central West Distributors /
Dubbo Vacuum Cleaner Specialists
Country Kitchens - Dubbo
Dubbo Meat Centre
Dubbo City Toyota
Dubbo City Motorcycles
Express Welding Services - Dubbo
Everyday Living -
Dubbo Frank Cross Tyres
Golden West Holden - Dubbo
Hearing Life dubbo
Lanoc Wool - Dubbo
Matilda Motor Inn - Dubbo
Nyngan RSL Club
Outwest Pumps & Irrigation P/L Dubbo
Regional Auto Supplies Dubbo
Shoe Shuffle - Dubbo
Sainsbury Automotive Dubbo
Sleep City Dubbo
Shearing Supplies NSW Dubbo
Town & Country Real Estate - Dubbo
Tilepower Dubbo
Tracserv - Dubbo
Western Plains Automotive - Dubbo
From
http://www.outbackradio.com.au/
Imagine how much more they could sell if they were there.
As you know with dubbo being the major shopping centre there is with
bourke and dubbp what the amca
calls a community of interest.. It would not be difficult to prove
there is also a community of interest between the aboriginal people in
that western sector.
Where the 2DU 2Kw is located gives an amazing ground plane
and they say they dont need 5kw for the present LAP.
But you come from dubbo so I bow to your superior knowledge about 2WEB
and its potential to serve the aboriginal community in dubbo with
modifications and a local transmitter . They have them elsewhere so
what is the problem with another one in Dubbo. ????
My only basis of extending 2DU to the Bourke LAP was to compensates 2DU
for the
introdiction of 2WEB into the local market. the transmission strengths
can be worked out.
I sense you are wanting a general community licence and the last thing
you would want
is a licence for 2WEB with local studos next to the rsl at Wingewarra
or Brisbane Street !!!!!
But you cant deny that the most compelling market need is for the
greatest unsolved niche
Just because I have a different opinion to you does not prohibit
sensible discussion - and does not mean it is non-sense and thank you
for an interesting response from someone who knows.
And thanks to all posters who have contributed to this thread.
most revealing.\\\

What 2WEB has now

585 AM and FM translators

91.1Coonamble

90.5 Lightning Ridge

100.7 Nyngan

104.3 Walgett

99.9 Wilcannia

XXX Dubbo ?

Bwshie to summarise

What I am saying is I would much prefer 2WEB than a full time
aboriginal station like 2CUZ
on air in dubbo with a daily local window from from 9am to 3pm with
aboriginal
and other general dubbo community radio content so as to not duplicate
2DU.

[b***@hotmail.com]

Keith,

Untill recenty I was operations manager for the two LPON stations in
Dubbo for the past 5 years. + 50 other LPON stations acorss Australia
including a LPON at Bourke.

Added to that I wave worked for 2WEB.

Also I am on the Dubbo City Council as a councillor. I know my town a
little bit better then you sir.

You clearly don't know what yoru talking about.

2WEB is indeed scratchy in Dubbo. However, the reason business from
Dubbo advertise on 2WEB is because the people who live in the outback
regiona have to shop in Dubbo. Thats not to say that the people of
Bourke should be subjected to programing from Dubbo and vice versa.

I would be very interested to know exactly what narrowcast licence you
owned in Dubbo and what newspaper you had as well - Please let me
know.

Regards


Ben Shields.





KeithA at ZFM Net Radio (http://www.zfm.com.au) and

Post by MediaWatcher
KeithA at ZFM Net Radio (http://www.zfm.com.au) and

Post by KeithA at ZFM Net Radio (http://www.zfm.com.au) and http://www.aussieseek.com
bwshie
I worked at 2DU ..... Owned a narrowcast licence there and a a
newspaper which I sold to Amart/Daily Liberal before it was owned by
Rural Press
I used to listen to 2WEB at home in dubbo with a non fading clear
signal and have been to bourke a dozen times also. but maybe if you
say it cant be heard it was some other station.?
It said it was 2WEB every 5 minutes (Outback Radio) and its programs
were
the same as listed on their website. But you say it is not heard in
Dubbo
so you are right
But look I was amazed at the 2WEB client list from dubbo being
advertisers wanting to sell products to western residents. See here
how many they have.They are not targeting a dubbo audience but people
who shop in dubbo from their vast coverage area
Abel Tasman Motor Inn Arrest A Pest
Autobarn Dubbo Burren Junction Pre-School
Bob's Pets and Fuel Dubbo
Brennan's Mitre 10 Dubbo
B&C Caravan Service Dubbo
Carter Ramsey & Webber - Dubbo
Dubbo Crampton's Carpets - Dubbo
Central West Distributors /
Dubbo Vacuum Cleaner Specialists
Country Kitchens - Dubbo
Dubbo Meat Centre
Dubbo City Toyota
Dubbo City Motorcycles
Express Welding Services - Dubbo
Everyday Living -
Dubbo Frank Cross Tyres
Golden West Holden - Dubbo
Hearing Life dubbo
Lanoc Wool - Dubbo
Matilda Motor Inn - Dubbo
Nyngan RSL Club
Outwest Pumps & Irrigation P/L Dubbo
Regional Auto Supplies Dubbo
Shoe Shuffle - Dubbo
Sainsbury Automotive Dubbo
Sleep City Dubbo
Shearing Supplies NSW Dubbo
Town & Country Real Estate - Dubbo
Tilepower Dubbo
Tracserv - Dubbo
Western Plains Automotive - Dubbo
From
http://www.outbackradio.com.au/
Imagine how much more they could sell if they were there.
As you know with dubbo being the major shopping centre there is with
bourke and dubbp what the amca
calls a community of interest.. It would not be difficult to prove
there is also a community of interest between the aboriginal people in
that western sector.
Where the 2DU 2Kw is located gives an amazing ground plane
and they say they dont need 5kw for the present LAP.
But you come from dubbo so I bow to your superior knowledge about 2WEB
and its potential to serve the aboriginal community in dubbo with
modifications and a local transmitter . They have them elsewhere so
what is the problem with another one in Dubbo. ????
My only basis of extending 2DU to the Bourke LAP was to compensates 2DU
for the
introdiction of 2WEB into the local market. the transmission strengths
can be worked out.
I sense you are wanting a general community licence and the last thing
you would want
is a licence for 2WEB with local studos next to the rsl at Wingewarra
or Brisbane Street !!!!!
But you cant deny that the most compelling market need is for the
greatest unsolved niche
Just because I have a different opinion to you does not prohibit
sensible discussion - and does not mean it is non-sense and thank you
for an interesting response from someone who knows.
And thanks to all posters who have contributed to this thread.
most revealing.\\\

What 2WEB has now
585 AM and FM translators
91.1Coonamble
90.5 Lightning Ridge
100.7 Nyngan
104.3 Walgett
99.9 Wilcannia
XXX Dubbo ?
Bwshie to summarise
What I am saying is I would much prefer 2WEB than a full time
aboriginal station like 2CUZ
on air in dubbo with a daily local window from from 9am to 3pm with
aboriginal
and other general dubbo community radio content so as to not duplicate
2DU.

[b***@hotmail.com]

Further to my post before, what is needed in Dubbo is a general
community radio station licence in Dubbo.

Simular to 2YOU FM or 2MAX or indeed even 2WCR.

Obviously there would be some aboriginal content, likewise some content
from Charles Sturt University and so forth.

This is a policy of the City Council to pursue another community radio
station licence for the city. The city council has even offered to
house a community radio station if and when the feds decide to grant a
licence.

The suggestion that 2WEB be given a window of opportunity in Dubbo is
simply absurd. 2WEB serves the Outback regions of Australia very very
well. It is a unique station with a wonderful history. However, it is
not the "norm" of a community radio station. It takes the John
Laws show and is very commercial sounding with full time paid
announcers and journalists.

2WEB is basically a commercial station on a community licence. The
suggestion that 2WEB should be therefore allowed to put their John Laws
feed up against 2DU's John Laws is once again absurd. What next?
2UE been given a translator in Newcastle to Play John Laws against
2HD's John Laws?

The fact remains that Dubbo is in need of its own community radio
station licence. and the people of the industry should support such a
venture. Technical commentary that makes no sense from "would be if
they could be's" only confuse the issue.

Post by b***@hotmail.com
Keith,
Untill recenty I was operations manager for the two LPON stations in
Dubbo for the past 5 years. + 50 other LPON stations acorss Australia
including a LPON at Bourke.
Added to that I wave worked for 2WEB.
Also I am on the Dubbo City Council as a councillor. I know my town a
little bit better then you sir.
You clearly don't know what yoru talking about.
2WEB is indeed scratchy in Dubbo. However, the reason business from
Dubbo advertise on 2WEB is because the people who live in the outback
regiona have to shop in Dubbo. Thats not to say that the people of
Bourke should be subjected to programing from Dubbo and vice versa.
I would be very interested to know exactly what narrowcast licence you
owned in Dubbo and what newspaper you had as well - Please let me
know.
Regards
Ben Shields.
KeithA at ZFM Net Radio (http://www.zfm.com.au) and

Post by MediaWatcher
KeithA at ZFM Net Radio (http://www.zfm.com.au) and

Post by KeithA at ZFM Net Radio (http://www.zfm.com.au) and http://www.aussieseek.com
bwshie
I worked at 2DU ..... Owned a narrowcast licence there and a a
newspaper which I sold to Amart/Daily Liberal before it was owned by
Rural Press
I used to listen to 2WEB at home in dubbo with a non fading clear
signal and have been to bourke a dozen times also. but maybe if you
say it cant be heard it was some other station.?
It said it was 2WEB every 5 minutes (Outback Radio) and its programs
were
the same as listed on their website. But you say it is not heard in
Dubbo
so you are right
But look I was amazed at the 2WEB client list from dubbo being
advertisers wanting to sell products to western residents. See here
how many they have.They are not targeting a dubbo audience but people
who shop in dubbo from their vast coverage area
Abel Tasman Motor Inn Arrest A Pest
Autobarn Dubbo Burren Junction Pre-School
Bob's Pets and Fuel Dubbo
Brennan's Mitre 10 Dubbo
B&C Caravan Service Dubbo
Carter Ramsey & Webber - Dubbo
Dubbo Crampton's Carpets - Dubbo
Central West Distributors /
Dubbo Vacuum Cleaner Specialists
Country Kitchens - Dubbo
Dubbo Meat Centre
Dubbo City Toyota
Dubbo City Motorcycles
Express Welding Services - Dubbo
Everyday Living -
Dubbo Frank Cross Tyres
Golden West Holden - Dubbo
Hearing Life dubbo
Lanoc Wool - Dubbo
Matilda Motor Inn - Dubbo
Nyngan RSL Club
Outwest Pumps & Irrigation P/L Dubbo
Regional Auto Supplies Dubbo
Shoe Shuffle - Dubbo
Sainsbury Automotive Dubbo
Sleep City Dubbo
Shearing Supplies NSW Dubbo
Town & Country Real Estate - Dubbo
Tilepower Dubbo
Tracserv - Dubbo
Western Plains Automotive - Dubbo
From
http://www.outbackradio.com.au/
Imagine how much more they could sell if they were there.
As you know with dubbo being the major shopping centre there is with
bourke and dubbp what the amca
calls a community of interest.. It would not be difficult to prove
there is also a community of interest between the aboriginal people in
that western sector.
Where the 2DU 2Kw is located gives an amazing ground plane
and they say they dont need 5kw for the present LAP.
But you come from dubbo so I bow to your superior knowledge about 2WEB
and its potential to serve the aboriginal community in dubbo with
modifications and a local transmitter . They have them elsewhere so
what is the problem with another one in Dubbo. ????
My only basis of extending 2DU to the Bourke LAP was to compensates 2DU
for the
introdiction of 2WEB into the local market. the transmission strengths
can be worked out.
I sense you are wanting a general community licence and the last thing
you would want
is a licence for 2WEB with local studos next to the rsl at Wingewarra
or Brisbane Street !!!!!
But you cant deny that the most compelling market need is for the
greatest unsolved niche
Just because I have a different opinion to you does not prohibit
sensible discussion - and does not mean it is non-sense and thank you
for an interesting response from someone who knows.
And thanks to all posters who have contributed to this thread.
most revealing.\\\

What 2WEB has now
585 AM and FM translators
91.1Coonamble
90.5 Lightning Ridge
100.7 Nyngan
104.3 Walgett
99.9 Wilcannia
XXX Dubbo ?
Bwshie to summarise
What I am saying is I would much prefer 2WEB than a full time
aboriginal station like 2CUZ
on air in dubbo with a daily local window from from 9am to 3pm with
aboriginal
and other general dubbo community radio content so as to not duplicate
2DU.

[KeithA at ZFM Net Radio (http://www.zfm.com.au) and http://www.aussieseek.com]

Ben, Please dont distort what I said. Simply because I offer other
ideas
or post a different opinion or slander and libel me with
the remarks you have made in this public place. .

Thats what politicans do. This is not cowards castle

I am not involved in any licence application.

Thats YOUR JOB and it aint going well is it?

I told you the idea of a local koori window in dubbo on the 2WEB FM<
translator would be from from 9am to 3pm, Ma be Some Daily Print
Handicapped or Dubbo youth council. All that.

So No Laws there, Only on 585. How does that duplicate

Post by b***@hotmail.com

2DU.. You said they couldnt get it in dubbo

Thats good that The city council has even offered to

Post by b***@hotmail.com
house a community radio station if and when the feds decide to grant a
licence. But look its all pretend !!!!!!!

Or Howard and coonan the Libs being slack.

Thats Not possible is it?

Again good luck with the application.

Prove me wrong.

[KeithA at ZFM Net Radio (http://www.zfm.com.au) and http://www.aussieseek.com]

Ben

I must have ESP. I said my post would irk you as I thought you wanted Dubbo to have its

own general community station. I bet youd like to be the general
manager
Youd be a good one.

Untill recenty I was operations manager for the two LPON stations in
Dubbo for the past 5 years. + 50 other LPON stations acorss Australia
including a LPON at Bourke.

That would be visitor radio. That Item you posted about Christmas
Lights was one of the best items Ive seen here.

Added to that I have worked for 2WEB.

Well you would know if they even wanted a power increase
or a translator in Dubbo

Also I am on the Dubbo City Council as a councillor. I know my town a
little bit better then you sir

Ben Not all residents and other councilors would agree. Mayne only the
bright ones
But would you agree that I have a right to have an opinion,.But it
seems wre both want action.

I am not saying dubbo should not have a general community licence. Id
like to see two. One General and one aboriginal 2CUZ in preference. The
Aboriginal station is to improve cultural awareness and reduce
cross-cultural tension.
Is that OK ?
and an upgrade for 2WEB as a shot in the arm for them if they wanted it

At the least an upgrade for 2WEB or a window on a new FM translator
for a dubbo koori group. maybe 2WEB could lease that for Money.

You know how bad the situation is in the town and the west with the
drought so you cant say they wouldnt like the revenue. As you know its
a lot easier to sell advertising on a station you can hear.
.

You clearly don't know what you talking about.

Your perception. If you prefer to abuse fine
Some would say your Party clearly hould not have us in IRAQ
Some would say the draconian refulations placed on narrowcasters
by this and the last minister and your crowd are prptectionism at its
worst.

2WEB is indeed scratchy in Dubbo

Ah so now you say you can pick it up

Its amazing what a good AM engineer can do with AM.
Look at 2BH with its 200 Watts.

Maybe 20 kw would do the job and forget the local window


However, the reason business from

Dubbo advertise on 2WEB is because the people who live in the outback
regiona have to shop in Dubbo.

I said that. You are just repeating my words

Thats not to say that the people of

Bourke should be subjected to programing from Dubbo and vice versa.

I never said that.

I would be very interested to know exactly what narrowcast licence you
owned in Dubbo and what newspaper you had as well - Please let me
know.

I had the first 87.6 in dubbo which i leased then sold to 2KY, I
allowed a swap for
88.00 duh. Max instaled it at the TAB, In those days Ben they only cost
$29
Like visitor I sold many of my 200. I didnt sit on them and not use
them.

I had a free paper called the Dubbo Extra with plenty of ads.
and a paid weekly at Mudgee which actualy outsold the Gaurdian some
weeks.
3 People on the staff. And editor a compugraphic and a great salesman.
( like you)

I had other papers at Newcastle,Singelton and wollongong, I sold my
newspaper interests
to Rural Press at the time Armati and the Liberal were expanding into
Goulburn.
That was a lucky break for me as I used the money to set up studios for
2AM Sydney
500 Watts, 2HH Newcastle 5kw and 2ZW Wollongong 5kw.

Radio experience means nothing Ben but seeing you have run up a flag
where have you worked apart from Visitor and 2WEB ?

the Notches on my water pistol apart from making narrowcast radio work
for me. are


Started in Radio on Dec 5 1953
at 2KO Newcastle


If you had a reasonable Voice you can work most anywhere
and young people aspiring to enter the radio industry
should remember its a cool way to see the world
Get a Life and get into radio.


keith aged 60 on Dec 5,2004 (retired)
Useless now. Grows Tomatoes and his hobby is Radio and TV satelite DX


2NX-2NM
2HD
2RE
2CH
2DU
2MG
2WG
Beach Radio Newcastle
2WN-ABC
8DN
4LM (Sold Advertising in Tennant creek to Townsville)
4BH
4BK-AK
Full Commercial NZBC )Sponored by Chemists Guild)
3BO
1RPH
2AM X Band 1620 Sydney- sold to 2KY
2MW
2TM
1XH
2HH
2ZW
Hauraki (Pirate Radio Ship Auckland)
Radio i
Radio Otago
Radio Waikato 1XW
5AD
2SM
6PM
7HO


Capital Radio London ( We plgged Rock and Roll I gave you all the best
Years of my life to the Top of the UK Chart) We=me,Rice,aspel,Everett)


Radio Caroline (Pirate Radio Ship)
Kol Ha Shalom - Israel (pirate Radio Ship Tel Aviv)
Learnt Arabic and Hebrew
owned 200 narrowcast LPON stations (sold to 2KY and others)
ABC TV
NBN TV
RTN8 TV ( Brennan saw me on TV there and rang me to join the Good Guys
on 2SM)
ZFM
Radio Cronulla
Racing Radio Broken Hill
Big Country Radio
------------------------------------------------
Favourite Lines: Not a Sleepy Station


Often imitated-never duplicated


Most admired


Laws,Jones, Merrick and Rosso,Macca


Passions: Cricket, Australian Art,internet


Fav music: Dance Techno


Fav Songs: I am the Morning DJ on W O L D
Rock and Roll I gave you all the best Years of my life
Open up your Heart
Peace train

Ben in replying to dubbos most prominent liberal party politican may I
hold you to your own words when the media is present some people
grandstand,"
And Good on em. Thats how things happen.

Well please do. Use your contacts for your love of dubbo to get action

. If there is any credibility with the rank and file in your party
please ring coonan

Have you done that? Please



and get the ACMA off its arse with One General and one aboriginal 2CUZ
type station
and an upgrade for 2WEB as a shot in the arm for them if they wanted it

If ypu dont im sure the ALP with its new rudder will.

Kind Regards

KeithA

Regards
Ben Shields.

[b***@hotmail.com]

Keith, I have neither the time nor the will to argue with a has been
with to much time on his hands.

However I will set a few things straight before I cease this irrational
discussion permanently.

You said that you thought I wanted to be the general manager of a
community radio station. I have no interest in being the general
manager of a community radio station. I have even been on the public
record in saying that. Indeed I "fell" into radio. I don't have
a radio voice. I did not even want to work in radio when I was at
school and a child. I am a salesman pure and simple. The chosen
career path for me is actually politics.

I note that you attacked my experience. Keith - I am 25. (Yes pretty
young for being a councillor - I was elected when I was 18, but
that's another story). At 25, I have only worked at 2 radio
organisations and currently I am having a small battle on my hands
establishing my own media venture.

On another point you go on to say that not all other councillors would
agree? Check the minutes of the council - it was carried unanimously
- a motion that was drafted by myself. So yes Keith they did infact
agree with me.

As for the joint or merged LAP, once again I will insist on this being
absurd because of programming similarities. OK you say that it would
benefit 2WEB if they were heard in Dubbo, probably so - but have you
ever stopped to think what sort of impact 2DU, Zoo FM and Star FM would
have on 2WEB if they were able to reach 2WEB's core listeners in
Bourke and Brewarrina etc etc. It would probably destroy a viable good
community station.

As for the station I once managed, yes it was Visitor Radio - AND The
Country Mix 876 - (on 87.6 FM while visitor was on 88.0 + 50 other
visitor stations across Australia). Funny that you sold the licence
(87.6) or so called "swapped" or what ever because in the last few
years I was running that station we were making a profit of in the
hundreds of thousands of dollars.

On a more serious note Keith, there is no need to bring petty party
politics into this debate and added to that there is defiantly no need
for such personal political attacks in a radio internet forum. We all
have our political beliefs and to attack someone personally over them
is of poor form. I am not about to use any (if any) influence within
the Liberal Party I may have to get LAPs changed. Nor would I believe
that Helen Coonan would have a bar of it as well. LAPs are a technical
decision - not a political one.

Added to that Keith, I'm not going to do a private investigation on
you personally to dig up dirt. I'm taking people as I see the
argument in the forum. To do a private investigation on someone on
this forum to use as a weapon which to argue and insult and is quite
alarming.

I'm not interested in what stations you have worked in and how good
you claim to be. I am saying however that we are trying to have a
serious debate about community radio in Dubbo and senile comments from
people claiming to be experts serve no purpose other then to confuse
people.

So in an effort to end this stupid discussion with a man who has too
much time on his hands, I declare defeat. You win.

So please, now that you have won the battle of wits and crushed the
Liberal politician, can we just get on with it and stop going back and
forth?




KeithA at ZFM Net Radio (http://www.zfm.com.au) and

Post by KeithA at ZFM Net Radio (http://www.zfm.com.au) and http://www.aussieseek.com
Ben

I must have ESP. I said my post would irk you as I thought you wanted Dubbo to have its

own general community station. I bet youd like to be the general
manager
Youd be a good one.

Untill recenty I was operations manager for the two LPON stations in
Dubbo for the past 5 years. + 50 other LPON stations acorss Australia
including a LPON at Bourke.

That would be visitor radio. That Item you posted about Christmas
Lights was one of the best items Ive seen here.

Added to that I have worked for 2WEB.

Well you would know if they even wanted a power increase
or a translator in Dubbo

Also I am on the Dubbo City Council as a councillor. I know my town a
little bit better then you sir

Ben Not all residents and other councilors would agree. Mayne only the
bright ones
But would you agree that I have a right to have an opinion,.But it
seems wre both want action.
I am not saying dubbo should not have a general community licence. Id
like to see two. One General and one aboriginal 2CUZ in preference. The
Aboriginal station is to improve cultural awareness and reduce
cross-cultural tension.
Is that OK ?
and an upgrade for 2WEB as a shot in the arm for them if they wanted it
At the least an upgrade for 2WEB or a window on a new FM translator
for a dubbo koori group. maybe 2WEB could lease that for Money.
You know how bad the situation is in the town and the west with the
drought so you cant say they wouldnt like the revenue. As you know its
a lot easier to sell advertising on a station you can hear.
.

You clearly don't know what you talking about.

Your perception. If you prefer to abuse fine
Some would say your Party clearly hould not have us in IRAQ
Some would say the draconian refulations placed on narrowcasters
by this and the last minister and your crowd are prptectionism at its
worst.

2WEB is indeed scratchy in Dubbo

Ah so now you say you can pick it up
Its amazing what a good AM engineer can do with AM.
Look at 2BH with its 200 Watts.
Maybe 20 kw would do the job and forget the local window
However, the reason business from

Dubbo advertise on 2WEB is because the people who live in the outback
regiona have to shop in Dubbo.

I said that. You are just repeating my words
Thats not to say that the people of

Bourke should be subjected to programing from Dubbo and vice versa.

I never said that.

I would be very interested to know exactly what narrowcast licence you
owned in Dubbo and what newspaper you had as well - Please let me
know.

I had the first 87.6 in dubbo which i leased then sold to 2KY, I
allowed a swap for
88.00 duh. Max instaled it at the TAB, In those days Ben they only cost
$29
Like visitor I sold many of my 200. I didnt sit on them and not use
them.
I had a free paper called the Dubbo Extra with plenty of ads.
and a paid weekly at Mudgee which actualy outsold the Gaurdian some
weeks.
3 People on the staff. And editor a compugraphic and a great salesman.
( like you)
I had other papers at Newcastle,Singelton and wollongong, I sold my
newspaper interests
to Rural Press at the time Armati and the Liberal were expanding into
Goulburn.
That was a lucky break for me as I used the money to set up studios for
2AM Sydney
500 Watts, 2HH Newcastle 5kw and 2ZW Wollongong 5kw.
Radio experience means nothing Ben but seeing you have run up a flag
where have you worked apart from Visitor and 2WEB ?
the Notches on my water pistol apart from making narrowcast radio work
for me. are
Started in Radio on Dec 5 1953
at 2KO Newcastle
If you had a reasonable Voice you can work most anywhere
and young people aspiring to enter the radio industry
should remember its a cool way to see the world
Get a Life and get into radio.
keith aged 60 on Dec 5,2004 (retired)
Useless now. Grows Tomatoes and his hobby is Radio and TV satelite DX
2NX-2NM
2HD
2RE
2CH
2DU
2MG
2WG
Beach Radio Newcastle
2WN-ABC
8DN
4LM (Sold Advertising in Tennant creek to Townsville)
4BH
4BK-AK
Full Commercial NZBC )Sponored by Chemists Guild)
3BO
1RPH
2AM X Band 1620 Sydney- sold to 2KY
2MW
2TM
1XH
2HH
2ZW
Hauraki (Pirate Radio Ship Auckland)
Radio i
Radio Otago
Radio Waikato 1XW
5AD
2SM
6PM
7HO
Capital Radio London ( We plgged Rock and Roll I gave you all the best
Years of my life to the Top of the UK Chart) We=me,Rice,aspel,Everett)
Radio Caroline (Pirate Radio Ship)
Kol Ha Shalom - Israel (pirate Radio Ship Tel Aviv)
Learnt Arabic and Hebrew
owned 200 narrowcast LPON stations (sold to 2KY and others)
ABC TV
NBN TV
RTN8 TV ( Brennan saw me on TV there and rang me to join the Good Guys
on 2SM)
ZFM
Radio Cronulla
Racing Radio Broken Hill
Big Country Radio
------------------------------------------------
Favourite Lines: Not a Sleepy Station
Often imitated-never duplicated
Most admired
Laws,Jones, Merrick and Rosso,Macca
Passions: Cricket, Australian Art,internet
Fav music: Dance Techno
Fav Songs: I am the Morning DJ on W O L D
Rock and Roll I gave you all the best Years of my life
Open up your Heart
Peace train
Ben in replying to dubbos most prominent liberal party politican may I
hold you to your own words when the media is present some people
grandstand,"
And Good on em. Thats how things happen.
Well please do. Use your contacts for your love of dubbo to get action
. If there is any credibility with the rank and file in your party
please ring coonan
Have you done that? Please
and get the ACMA off its arse with One General and one aboriginal 2CUZ
type station
and an upgrade for 2WEB as a shot in the arm for them if they wanted it
If ypu dont im sure the ALP with its new rudder will.
Kind Regards
KeithA

Regards
Ben Shields.

[Rob Adams]

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I am not about to use any (if any) influence within
the Liberal Party I may have to get LAPs changed. Nor would I believe
that Helen Coonan would have a bar of it as well. LAPs are a technical
decision - not a political one.

Wouldnt it be hard for the government of the day to affect anything
from ACMA as they are an authority and not a department any more, a
bit like CASA operates.

Rob.

[KeithA at ZFM Net Radio (http://www.zfm.com.au) and http://www.aussieseek.com]

Dear Rob and Ben as you know CASA has the primary responsibility for
the maintenance, enhancement and promotion of the safety of civil
aviation in Australia.
And the ACMA for Radio. My minders tell me The Minister can instuct the
ACMA.,, And Alston before Coonan did.. relaiyng Commercial and
community stations concerns about back door entry to commercial radio
licences by narrowband AM Operators 16-17AM
The bottom line was the loss by the Australian government of revenue
from auction. As was considered with the Radio 2 Epic. The rationale
being you cant have two ,menues
each with different prices for what are basicaly the same customer.
So the ACMA was bound to listen and Act and it did.
IAny party in government should listens to its rank an file and god
help us if they stop or never do.
The situation in Dubbo is that branch members of Liberal Party can
input Coonan
who can say to the acma " Get cracking "... Issue 2 Community Licences
in Dubbo and a power upgrade to 20Kw of 2WEB and the minister can
instruct the ACMA and they must act. It helps the government if they
have a friendly apointee as the head of that authority
or department so they cant delay it by saying sorry no frequencies.

Theree are heaps of frequencies for dubbo-western nsw laps on AM-FM and
DRM

The ACMA will then advertise for submissions. In the case of Dubbo,
the Super Radio network would say No way. There is not enough revenue
in the marketl

But I say leave it to the free market as Mark says on this group that
Ben attacked.

Theres always room for another station if there are good creative
radio salespeople like Ben
around conversly it is also my measured decision that if if the talent
bank is so dry that it was risky in that you might not find some. It
would be a bad busines decision or risky
or require wasted capital investment.

Like taking a lotto ticket.

So I say the Headline in fact is that dubbo radio listeners and its
council have been ignored
is the fault of the Liberal Party and i suspect its compliance with the
CRAs
lobby... and an attitude of where is the revenue. ? We dont make any
money on community radio ad the ABC/SBS. It costs us.

To get things done the liberal party in dubbo should say. to coonan .
well its only Bill Caralis and the super radio who would scream.
youve got nothing to worry about. He is a lifelong Labor supporter
anyway

No politics in radio ? My arse.

[KeithA at ZFM Net Radio (http://www.zfm.com.au) and http://www.aussieseek.com]

no politics in radio... LOL

Post by b***@hotmail.com
Keith, I have neither the time nor the will to argue

but thats what this place is

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with a has been
with to much time on his hands.

What for wanking?

the challenge I had was to stay employed non stop in an industry
and gain positive and negative experience for 50 years and at least i
did that
Of course I am a has been. Better to have been that than never was.

Im a diabectic with poor vision just out of hospital after more
amputations and you want to cut my dick off as well

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However I will set a few things straight before I cease this irrational
discussion permanently.
Shucks I was just getting to like you. The reason people buy radio advertisnimg

from you is because they like you. Nopt because of the medias worth

Post by b***@hotmail.com
You said that you thought I wanted to be the general manager of a
community radio station. I have no interest in being the general
manager of a community radio station.

Pity

I have even been on the public

Post by b***@hotmail.com
record in saying that. Indeed I "fell" into radio. I don't have
a radio voice.

whats a radio voice? I loved your defense of ordinary communicatiors
elsewhere on this group.

Post by b***@hotmail.com
I did not even want to work in radio when I was at
school and a child. I am a salesman pure and simple. The chosen
career path for me is actually politics.

When you get to be prime Minister thats when honest john howard
retires
if ever and becomes a has been dont forget to say "sorry"

Im a part aboriginal and we are all australians.

Post by b***@hotmail.com
I note that you attacked my experience.

No praised it.

Keith - I am 25. (Yes pretty

Post by b***@hotmail.com
young for being a councillor - I was elected when I was 18, but
that's another story). At 25, I have only worked at 2 radio
organisations and currently I am having a small battle on my hands
establishing my own media venture.
never give up Ben
On another point you go on to say that not all other councillors would
agree?

I said with you about all other platforms not the issue

Check the minutes of the council - it was carried unanimously

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- a motion that was drafted by myself.

Good

So yes Keith they did infact

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agree with me.

On Radio Yes

Post by b***@hotmail.com
As for the joint or merged LAP, once again I will insist on this being
absurd because of programming similarities. OK you say that it would
benefit 2WEB if they were heard in Dubbo, probably so - but have you
ever stopped to think what sort of impact 2DU, Zoo FM

bad luck Super Bill. He can afford to be generous. Think of the money
he has saved by giving up ciggies. I liked his chico rolls

and Star FM would

Post by b***@hotmail.com
have on 2WEB if they were able to reach 2WEB's core listeners in
Bourke and Brewarrina etc etc. It would probably destroy a viable good
community station.

Not likely. And with deregulation a free market with
no protectionism would ensure this.

Post by b***@hotmail.com
As for the station I once managed, yes it was Visitor Radio - AND The
Country Mix 876 - (on 87.6 FM while visitor was on 88.0 + 50 other
visitor stations across Australia). Funny that you sold the licence
(87.6) or so called "swapped" or what ever because in the last few
years I was running that station we were making a profit of in the
hundreds of thousands of dollars.

good. A First hand qualified remark confirms
the market can well stand 2 new stations

Post by b***@hotmail.com
On a more serious note Keith, there is no need to bring petty party
politics into this debate and added to that there is defiantly no need
for such personal political attacks in a radio internet forum.

I have never done that. Youre the one who did. You were the one.
Swear words and abuse are fine, But not Libel. Must have been
hot in dubbo 35 here

Post by b***@hotmail.com
We all
have our political beliefs and to attack someone personally over them
is of poor form. I am not about to use any (if any) influence within
the Liberal Party I may have to get LAPs changed. Nor would I believe
that Helen Coonan would have a bar of it as well.

BEN NO NO NO Please DO. Please...

LAPs are a technical

Post by b***@hotmail.com
decision - not a political one.

crap

Post by b***@hotmail.com
Added to that Keith, I'm not going to do a private investigation on
you personally to dig up dirt. I'm taking people as I see the
argument in the forum. To do a private investigation on someone on
this forum to use as a weapon which to argue and insult and is quite
alarming.

Thats a poor defense. Attempt to Kill the messenger rather than lose an
issue

Post by b***@hotmail.com
I'm not interested in what stations you have worked in and how good
you claim to be.

Im not good and would never claim to be. But Ive been lucky
had some terrific experiences.

http://aussieseek.proboards25.com/index.cgi?board=mediaradiotvpresswww&action=print&thread=1154115273

I am saying however that we are trying to have a

Post by b***@hotmail.com
serious debate about community radio in Dubbo and

senile
senile > there you go again. Old but senile. Not Yet

Post by b***@hotmail.com
comments from
people claiming to be experts serve no purpose other then to confuse
people.

First law of politics, back to the issue

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So in an effort to end this stupid discussion with a man who has too
much time on his hands, I declare defeat. You win.

No Ben. We can all win if you lobby coonan

Post by b***@hotmail.com
So please, now that you have won the battle of wits and crushed the
Liberal politician, can we just get on with it and stop going back and
forth?
I cant even crush an orange. I voted LIberal in the Fed, Labor

in NSW and Greens in the council.

Anathema I suppose for you.

I voted Greens because of aboriginal issues.

Post by b***@hotmail.com
As I said there is danger for you in a headline or paid spin or an ad

in the local press saying

LIBS ignore "Dubbo Council Request for Radio Stations"


And here also. Abuse yes,swearing yes but the minders dont like libel
Ben
so dont be so trusting.

Time on my hands?

Naw. Hobbies. Some good rain for the tomatoes recently. Music on the
net,
Broadbands a true friend. Learning other Languages
and Keeping out of the way
of the "doers " like yourself so they can get on with it.

KeithA

[KeithA at ZFM Net Radio (http://www.zfm.com.au) and http://www.aussieseek.com]

Jabber I agree with you in some aspects, but remember this is the radio
industry. It doesnt just happen in here , it happens in our work place.
When people dont know what to say they go and attack
the person making the "personal views". I think its piss poor but until
people like "Mediawatcher" wake up.. its going to keep on happening.
Good luck to aus.broadcast google. hopefully the nobs wake up soon!

BS using ( bwshie. also Mediawatcher and swill - view profiles)
posted elsewwhere on the wrong thread at this place

Like Jabba in another thread I have also had enough.
I shouldn't have to put up with this sort of garbage.
Nasty twisting of newsarticles and private investigations on my person
have had its toll.
I thought I would like to start contributing to this newsgroup, but
with people like KeithA from Z FM here no thanks.

You mean you thought you coul\d have some fun by having 3 nics

BS

Regards
BS

You mean you thought you could have some fun by having 3 nics

more nics than a blunt razor

With you being a real Liberal politician you could use your power to
help
not hurt people
who have a lateral opposite view and simply want the same as you.

Better and more diverese Radio in Dubbo

As LIBERAL Rank and file you CAN ask the Howard/Coonan /ACMA
Government to give Dubbo a general community radio licence because if
you don.t nasty people are going to say you just,are doing it as
politicians do so as 2 get press coverage and be be popular?

People like John Howard are accused of that all the time. The medico
who visits me at home each day (Im a almost blind diabetic- just out
of hospital after amputations)
says that. Many part aboriginal people like me suffer from diabeties.
Its only high headphone volume that affected my hearing.


I certainly wouldnt use a private investigator on you to dig up dirt as
you said to me to avoid losing an issue. Since when has it been not ok
to just read the Dubbo Liberal Newspaoer?
. Its all all on the net and you declared your identity

Same as me wearing the ABC T shirt that you poked fun at and kindly
said to me

BS said " I didn't want to stab you to hard. You would have got blood over that

lovely ABC jumper of yours.
Perish the thought" >

You see the search comes up on you as Dubbos Leading Liberal
Politician. on google

As for your remark that I am happy that I have crushed a liberal
politician . I would never do that. I couldnt even crush an orange.


in the future if you come back with a 4th nic just try shooting the
message not the messenger.

If you do go I agee with another poster who said "have a nice life
maybe we will see you
back here one day when your outlook on life is different".

And if there isnt a community radio group formed in Dubbo for TCBLS.
Call a public meeting and let them to form one.. Then the ACMA can do
something.